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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:51 am    Post subject: infinity corrected microscope objective parts list Reply with quote

I just jumped in feet first with my first infinity corrected microscope objective, I want to move beyond (way beyond) my MM 10x which is great but only made me want to go farther. The new objective is a Mitutoyo M Plan 50 SL APO. I've been reading the threads and frankly I'm overwhelmed. Conceptually I think I get what I need:

objective
RMS thread? to F mount (Nikon) adapter

extension tube(s) (200mm) based on the number on the objective barrel and Rik's "how to" thread (if I am interpreting everything correctly)

tube lens or Raynox DCR-150

My list seems way over simplified based on the parts lists I see in various threads. I would like help in creating a parts list that will allow me to best use my new objective.

Thanks


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This needs to be moved to the equipment thread. Sorry for the inconvenience...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll move the thread after you've had a chance to see this reply.

Regarding your equipment needs, take a look at the recent post http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=189555#189555 and the discussion earlier in that thread.

Addressing a couple of specific points...

Your Mitutoyo M Plan objective has 26mm x 36tpi threads, not RMS. You can purchase an adapter from that thread to several other threads, typically M42 x 1 mm pitch or 52mm x 0.75 mm pitch. That adapter then mates with other adapters and/or tubes that will eventually get you back to the Nikon bayonet mount that you need to fit your camera.

The amount of extension that you need is whatever makes your tube lens focus at infinity, when the objective is not mounted. It won't be exactly 200 mm, even if you're using a tube lens with focal length 200 mm.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rik, Got it. You can move it now.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I've read through most of the threads (incredibly helpful) and using Saul's setup (http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=187145#187145) I need, starting at the camera end:

1 F-42 adapter
1 42 to 43 adaptor
1 Raynox
1 49-42 adapter
1 Extension ring (size TBD)
1 Focuser ????
1 M42-M26 adapter

If I am reading the "How to attach..." article correctly I need 200mm between the objective and sensor (see attached image).

Anything else?

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
If I am reading the "How to attach..." article correctly I need 200mm between the objective and sensor


No, what you need is:
rjlittlefield wrote:
The amount of extension that you need is whatever makes your tube lens focus at infinity, when the objective is not mounted. It won't be exactly 200 mm, even if you're using a tube lens with focal length 200 mm.


The distance between objective and tube lens can be varied (this is one of the actual reasons for infinite design), although some range of distances can work better than others in function of the lens design you're using as tube lens
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pau,

Thanks for the reply. To ensure I understand, below is a restatement of what I think you and Rik are saying.

1. With a tube lens (in this case a Raynox) my tube can be any length and work.

2. There are some distances between the tube lens and objective that are more optimal than others.

Am I understanding this correctly?

If #2 is correct, how do I solve for the optimal tube lens - objective distance for this specific lens other than experimentation?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm not sure to understand you well,

1. With a tube lens (in this case a Raynox) my tube can be any length and work

No, you must find the right distance for the tube lens alone to focus it to infinite, test it focusing on a distant objet (like with a normal camera taking lens focused to infinite) But you can also find that distance for each Raynox at pages showing other members setups using them.
That distance is not critical with low power objectives but is with high magnification ones

2. There are some distances between the tube lens and objective that are more optimal than others.

Yes, but again you can profit of the experience of other members setups
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pau,

Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh look there's an elephant.
Has nobody else spotted it?


SL200, not SL50 ?

http://www.edmundoptics.eu/microscopy/infinity-corrected-objectives/mitutoyo-infinity-corrected-long-working-distance-objectives/56072/
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantastic find! Its even an SL. I would love to test drive one of these. Unfortunately I have not been "discovered" yet so my funds are lacking, however, I expect a full report back when you have had a chance to run yours through the paces Smile. As usual I would expect you go go for the volume discount of 500 euros per (minimum six). Its always good to have a few spares. BTW...when you put the other five on ebay let me know. How does $2,000 sound for an opening bid?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisR wrote:
SL200, not SL50 ?

That one is new to me.

Can't say that I'm very attracted to it, though. NA 0.62 for €10951.50 in the 200X, versus NA 0.55 for €2621.50 in the 50X, both at 13 mm WD. That's a lot of money for only a little more resolution. True it's 4X higher magnification, but that's a lot cheaper to get with a couple of good 2X teleconverters mounted on the camera.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Macro Photog,

In you initial post you describe your objective as "a Mitutoyo M Plan 50 SL APO", but the image in a subsequent post shows a 200/0.62 objective.

Is the image the objective you have and intend to use, or do you actually have a 50X?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charles,

Good catch! The lens I purchased had been withdrawn from the ebay listings. I was in a hurry and as a short cut I copied the heading from what I thought was another 50X ad. I haven't had time to verify it but I do think the headline I copied went with this picture. Anyway, I went back and found the listing for mine:

Mitutoyo M Plan Apo SL 50x ULWD Objective, it is on its way to me. I can't wait to how it influences my work.

Also mine is in much better shape than the one I posted

EDIT: I reread your message after Charles and ChrisR caught the mistake first!


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