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conkar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canonian wrote:
Conny, I kinda hoped it's the other one:

Standard Achromatic Microscope Objectives -- MSO17900/100

EFL (mm): 8.2
Magnification: 20X (Long Working Distance)
NA: 0.30
Working Distance: 5.8
Specifications: DIN Type (Shoulder Height 45mm, Mechanical Tube Length 160mm)

http://datasheets.globalspec.com/ps/5225/JMLOpticalIndustries/7ADC4F96-68E8-4AB4-B75C-60EB2467DEE7


Fred, in terms of WD i hope your findings are right, but for the na I hope not.

I think we have to wait and see what this JML 20X is.......

It might be a turkey or a golden goose....Rolling Eyes


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Conny arrival 9/3
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke to someone at sunnking and he said the working distance for focusing with his eye was one to two millimeters

The optics were not surplused directly from JML but rather from
a clinical medical instruments division of Eastman Kodak. It was probably
used to gather light in some kind of spectrophotometric assay probably one
encapsulated in some kind of plastic slide.

I will shoot a snipe on the tray of thirty. If we don't win it we probably will have another similar tray made available to us.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

g4lab wrote:
I spoke to someone at sunnking and he said the working distance for focusing with his eye was one to two millimeters

The optics were not surplused directly from JML but rather from
a clinical medical instruments division of Eastman Kodak. It was probably
used to gather light in some kind of spectrophotometric assay probably one
encapsulated in some kind of plastic slide.

I will shoot a snipe on the tray of thirty. If we don't win it we probably will have another similar tray made available to us.


That working distance is in the range that Chris S had initially suggested. 1 to 2 mm is not much working distance to place any lighting at 20X. I'll have to think about this for myself.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD 1 to 2mm Sad Speak to the hand
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know I'm labouring the point but I don't have any objective with an entrance diameter that big and a WD as short as under 2mm. Room for some optimism I think?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturephoto1 wrote:
NikonUser wrote:
Currently a tray of 30 for sale, $15.00 for the lot at present.
If they are 'good' lenses we, as a group, may get a bargain.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360438163254?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D360438163254%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1


I would be willing to share in a split lot order of these.

Rich


Careful, over $100 for shipping. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tesselator wrote:
naturephoto1 wrote:
NikonUser wrote:
Currently a tray of 30 for sale, $15.00 for the lot at present.
If they are 'good' lenses we, as a group, may get a bargain.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360438163254?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D360438163254%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1


I would be willing to share in a split lot order of these.

Rich


Careful, over $100 for shipping. Wink


Not sent to the US. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


JML 20X treated as 160



JML 20X full bellows draw

This is just a first test of the JML 20X and the images are single exposures done with a APS-C DSLR Canon EOS 7D.

I tested the objective as a finite objective and I will test it later with a 200mm tubelens to see how it works out.

I was curious about the working distance and I estimate it to be around 10-12mm.

The thread size was RMS.

Tnx Craig! Very Happy

Regards,

Conny
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

conkar wrote:
... I estimate it to be around 10-12mm.

That's quite a comfortable WD ! Did you get one from the tray?
I'm very curious how it performs mounted on a tubelens.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canonian wrote:
conkar wrote:
... I estimate it to be around 10-12mm.

That's quite a comfortable WD ! Did you get one from the tray?
I'm very curious how it performs mounted on a tubelens.


No, I don't got it from the tray, this was a single one.

If a tray it's on the run to europe, I might be interested of some more.

I running a full frame test with a FF right now with the objective mounted on a 200mm tubelens. The WD seems to be to same.

I'll be back on that tomorrow. My computers are old and slow (like me Laughing) so it take some time to get a finnished stacked image.

Regards,

Conny
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

conkar wrote:
... so it take some time to get a finnished stacked image.

Please take your time, it's great that you are willing to investigate this turkey / golden goose chase. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conny,

Thanks for the report.

Looks encouraging, but difficult to determine the possiblity of spherical aberration from your initial images.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


JML 20X 200mm infinity FF

Canon EOS 5DmkII and Canon EF 200mm f/2.8L II USM as tubelens with a JML 20X microscope objective.

105 images stacked with Zerene Stacker Pmax, step size 5┬Ám.

High res:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7203/6969013763_0f6ef34213_o.jpg


It's alot of dust and scratches in this worn stamp, I think I have to find a better test sample and also set it up against some ruler to find the right magnification.

I am not shure about the magnification in this last picture, when I look at the picture it seems to be more around 10X than 20X.

With the 3 tests I had done my impression is that the JML 20X is a finite objective.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not know what I'm actually looking at, it gives no visual reference and it's hard to see the quality and resolution on the sample of the worn stamp.
If you mount the JML on a tubelens, isn't it an infinite than? (I'm a bit confused )
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conny,

It may be worthwhile using a 'flat' sample (providing your stage is level), basically something that can be photographed with a single exposure (black on white would be good).



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