Remarkable Fly Face -4th image added-25vi09
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Remarkable Fly Face -4th image added-25vi09
The width of this fly's face is 2.4mm. When seen head on (my face to the fly's face) I could see a bright silver dot from 10' away and that's what made me investigate. The area between the eyes being highly reflective silver - top image.
However, when viewed from the side this highly reflective silver dome turns into black velvet but the lower part of the face remains reflective. (The arista on the right antenna moved between frames).
The fly is about 7mm long; and if it wasn't for its headlights it would never have been noticed.
However, when viewed from the side this highly reflective silver dome turns into black velvet but the lower part of the face remains reflective. (The arista on the right antenna moved between frames).
The fly is about 7mm long; and if it wasn't for its headlights it would never have been noticed.
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It was in one corner of my "tent trap" and I was checking the tabanids when I saw this 'bright light' in the far corner (the trap is 12' x 12' at the base).
It looks white here but in real life it looks more like mercury or highly polished silver.
Rik: structure is interesting but what about function?
Anyway, I have the fly and if you can process it through your contacts I will send it to you.
It looks white here but in real life it looks more like mercury or highly polished silver.
Rik: structure is interesting but what about function?
Anyway, I have the fly and if you can process it through your contacts I will send it to you.
NU.
student of entomology
Quote – Holmes on ‘Entomology’
” I suppose you are an entomologist ? “
” Not quite so ambitious as that, sir. I should like to put my eyes on the individual entitled to that name.
No man can be truly called an entomologist,
sir; the subject is too vast for any single human intelligence to grasp.”
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr
The Poet at the Breakfast Table.
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Quote – Holmes on ‘Entomology’
” I suppose you are an entomologist ? “
” Not quite so ambitious as that, sir. I should like to put my eyes on the individual entitled to that name.
No man can be truly called an entomologist,
sir; the subject is too vast for any single human intelligence to grasp.”
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My guess is that they are fine relatively white hairs. When I cut my hair really short with clippers I see something similar except my skin and hair colour are wrong. From the side of the hairs (the front view of the flies head as they lay along the surface you see the sides of the hairs, from the right angle you see the black chitin substrate as you see the hairs end on. In my case you can just see my scalp when looking from the right direction.
Just my guess anyway.
Graham
Just my guess anyway.
Graham
Thanks guys. Let's hope Rik can get them under an Electron Microscope.
Laurie: I think it's a tachinid fly (Tachinidae)
Tried a dorsal shot agaimst a black background (such a background is not as easy to work with as my regular grey; Graham46 does a great job with his bugs).
The projecting face positively glowed in the viewfinder.
Laurie: I think it's a tachinid fly (Tachinidae)
Tried a dorsal shot agaimst a black background (such a background is not as easy to work with as my regular grey; Graham46 does a great job with his bugs).
The projecting face positively glowed in the viewfinder.
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student of entomology
Quote – Holmes on ‘Entomology’
” I suppose you are an entomologist ? “
” Not quite so ambitious as that, sir. I should like to put my eyes on the individual entitled to that name.
No man can be truly called an entomologist,
sir; the subject is too vast for any single human intelligence to grasp.”
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr
The Poet at the Breakfast Table.
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Quote – Holmes on ‘Entomology’
” I suppose you are an entomologist ? “
” Not quite so ambitious as that, sir. I should like to put my eyes on the individual entitled to that name.
No man can be truly called an entomologist,
sir; the subject is too vast for any single human intelligence to grasp.”
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Just a more silly thought, retro reflective materials tend to use tiny balls which act as micro lenses, the underside is highly reflective and no matter which direction the light enters the balls it is focussed, reflected and re-collimated back in the same direction. I suppose instead of balls you could have rods or transparent hairs which are somehow highly reflective, this would also have a directional nature.
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I don't have regular access to an SEM, so it'll take a while for me to put something together.
In the meantime, hang onto that fly.
The brilliant whiteness reminds me a bit of the beetle in this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6272485.stm
But the illustrations shown there give no hint that the beetle's appearance changes with viewing angle, as this fly's obviously does.
--Rik
In the meantime, hang onto that fly.
The brilliant whiteness reminds me a bit of the beetle in this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6272485.stm
But the illustrations shown there give no hint that the beetle's appearance changes with viewing angle, as this fly's obviously does.
--Rik
Rik: That reminds me, interference effect as in Morpho wing scales ?
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Quote – Holmes on ‘Entomology’
” I suppose you are an entomologist ? “
” Not quite so ambitious as that, sir. I should like to put my eyes on the individual entitled to that name.
No man can be truly called an entomologist,
sir; the subject is too vast for any single human intelligence to grasp.”
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr
The Poet at the Breakfast Table.
Nikon camera, lenses and objectives
Olympus microscope and objectives
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Quote – Holmes on ‘Entomology’
” I suppose you are an entomologist ? “
” Not quite so ambitious as that, sir. I should like to put my eyes on the individual entitled to that name.
No man can be truly called an entomologist,
sir; the subject is too vast for any single human intelligence to grasp.”
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr
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Do you remember the relationship between your head, the fly, and wherever the light was coming from?NikonUser wrote:It was in one corner of my "tent trap" and I was checking the tabanids when I saw this 'bright light' in the far corner (the trap is 12' x 12' at the base).
It looks white here but in real life it looks more like mercury or highly polished silver.
If the light was right behind you, so your head was almost casting a shadow on the fly, that would argue for retroreflective.
Seems likely, but that covers quite a wide range of effects.Rik: That reminds me, interference effect as in Morpho wing scales ?
Your description of looking like mercury or silver suggests a mirror-like reflector that works equally well for all colors of light. In that case the "white" appearance in the photograph could just mean that it's reflecting your illumination diffuser. Could the "black velvet" appearance just be reflecting a big chunk of unlighted background?
--Rik
Remarkable fly face
NU,
Your remarkable fly is Metopia argyrocephala, in the family Sarcophagidae (flesh flies). This species occurs in Europe and eastern North America and has been reared from the nests of bees and wasps, where their larvae live as external predators [images from a French site: http://www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/ ... phala.html]. Certain other kinds of sarcophagids have this same kind of remarkable face coloration (in Metopia, only the males have the silvery faces).
Eric
Your remarkable fly is Metopia argyrocephala, in the family Sarcophagidae (flesh flies). This species occurs in Europe and eastern North America and has been reared from the nests of bees and wasps, where their larvae live as external predators [images from a French site: http://www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/ ... phala.html]. Certain other kinds of sarcophagids have this same kind of remarkable face coloration (in Metopia, only the males have the silvery faces).
Eric
Thanks Eric; would have sworn it was a tachinid.
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student of entomology
Quote – Holmes on ‘Entomology’
” I suppose you are an entomologist ? “
” Not quite so ambitious as that, sir. I should like to put my eyes on the individual entitled to that name.
No man can be truly called an entomologist,
sir; the subject is too vast for any single human intelligence to grasp.”
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr
The Poet at the Breakfast Table.
Nikon camera, lenses and objectives
Olympus microscope and objectives
student of entomology
Quote – Holmes on ‘Entomology’
” I suppose you are an entomologist ? “
” Not quite so ambitious as that, sir. I should like to put my eyes on the individual entitled to that name.
No man can be truly called an entomologist,
sir; the subject is too vast for any single human intelligence to grasp.”
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr
The Poet at the Breakfast Table.
Nikon camera, lenses and objectives
Olympus microscope and objectives