
Photo specs:
Nikon D850
Sigma 150 Macro
45 Image field stack on tripod rig
RAW processing in DXO
Stacked in Zerene
Touch-up in PS
Moderators: Chris S., Pau, Beatsy, rjlittlefield, ChrisR
Thanks Chris,ChrisR wrote:That's a nice scene. Are their eyes always like that?
Thank you Mike...Olympusman wrote:Nice find and nice photo.
Mike
Was this shot with the D850's built-in focus stacking using the motor in the lens, or with some sort of rail device?Nikon D850
Sigma 150 Macro
45 Image field stack on tripod rig
Are you're referring to the pattern of dark dots? Those look to me like a distorted version of the hexagonal pattern that we often see in butterfly eyes. From reading various articles, my understanding is that the anatomy of these eyes allows the dark-colored photoreceptors of each ommatidium to see straight out through their own ommatidium's lens, while also seeing obliquely out through the lenses of neighboring ommatidia, sometimes in multiple rings. Looking in from the outside, as we do, this arrangement produces as a dark pseudopupil where the ommatidia face us directly, with progressively less dark pseudopupils where the ommatidia face slightly away from us but at the correct angle for those photoreceptors to see us also. Presumably the insect's retina is wired to take advantage of this sort of multipath input, but I don't know if the details of that have been worked out.ChrisR wrote:Are their eyes always like that?
There definitely are yellow hairs, but I think the yellow surrounding the black spots is mostly reflection from internal structures. See for example https://www.flickr.com/photos/-can-/302 ... 6/sizes/o/ .ChrisR wrote:The yellowness really. I imagne it's basically hairs/setae but a lot of insects have those without making the eye look light.
I've often wondered about that patterning, thank you. I had suspected it was an optical or depth effect that would shift and change with camera angle, rather than the result of any surface pigmantation. It's like a multiple version of the dark spots that show up in mantis eyes and follow you around?rjlittlefield wrote: Are you're referring to the pattern of dark dots? Those look to me like a distorted version of the hexagonal pattern that we often see in butterfly eyes. From reading various articles, my understanding is that the anatomy of these eyes allows the dark-colored photoreceptors of each ommatidium to see straight out through their own ommatidium's lens, while also seeing obliquely out through the lenses of neighboring ommatidia, sometimes in multiple rings. Looking in from the outside, as we do, this arrangement produces as a dark pseudopupil where the ommatidia face us directly, with progressively less dark pseudopupils where the ommatidia face slightly away from us but at the correct angle for those photoreceptors to see us also. Presumably the insect's retina is wired to take advantage of this sort of multipath input, but I don't know if the details of that have been worked out.
--Rik
Yes, I believe that's exactly correct.Thagomizer wrote:It's like a multiple version of the dark spots that show up in mantis eyes and follow you around?
Thanks Rik,rjlittlefield wrote:This is a beautiful image!
Was this shot with the D850's built-in focus stacking using the motor in the lens, or with some sort of rail device?Nikon D850
Sigma 150 Macro
45 Image field stack on tripod rig
So, what's being seen are not the photoreceptors themselves, but rather pigment cells around the photoreceptors. That means the ommatidia in the accessory pseudopupils are not seeing out at sideways angles as I had thought. That makes perfect sense to me, particularly since it allows any number of accessory pseudopupils without requiring any modification of the retinal wiring.... essentially, if I have understood it correctly, the principal pseudopupil appears as dark spot because of the black – usually jet-black – pigments clustered closely around the cones. In the words of Professor D. G. Stavenga, of the University of Groningen, NL (pers. comm.), who authored an 80-page publication on this subject, ‘the pigments in the pigment cells surrounding the photoreceptor set of each ommatidium function as shields for stray light … they are usually blackish, absorbing throughout the whole wavelength range.’ So, in the principal pseudopupil, one is in effect looking right down a small group of ommatidia – down their vertical axis – and there is little or no light scattered back by the black primary pigments. In the principal pseudopupil, the black pigment is seen directly through the facet lens of the ommatidium, whereas in the accessory pseudopupils, the pigment is observed through the facet lens of the neighbouring ommatidia (Stavenga, 1979).
On re-reading, I realize that there's probably no connection between the appearance of accessory pseudopupils and the sharing of visual fields described by Chapman. That was just a spurious connection that formed in my own head.In most insects, the rhabdomeres abut on each other along the axis of the ommatidium forming a 'fused' rhabdom (although the cells are not actually fused), but Diptera, Dermaptera, some Heteroptera and some Coleoptera have widely separated rhabdomeres forming an 'open' rhabdom (Fig. 22.3). In a fused rhabdom, all the retinula cells within one ommatidium have the same field of view. In species with open rhabdoms each retinula cell within an ommatidium has a separate visual field, shared by individual cells in each of the adjacent ommatidia (see Fig. 20.21b).