Mayfly - Ephemera sp.

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Mayfly - Ephemera sp.

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Hi folks,

Well it's May so I guess a mayfly is a must as a close-up subject. If anyone has info on identifying gender in this species I would really appreciate some input. I know that the male has longer front legs used for grasping and IMO they look quite long in this pic - but I don't know for sure. Also, what's the difference between a subimagio and an imagio (identification and general info on development stages etc. appreciated).

Unfortunately been pretty hectic this last couple of weeks with my mother moving house so little opportunity to take pics or to check out forum postings. Things should be getting back to normal very soon.

I took this pic this afternoon by the River Ouze in Stony Stratford, Buckinghamshire. Unfortunately I couldn't get exactly side-on as there were stinging nettles everywhere, so the tails and wing tip ended up being oof on all my shots - however mayflies are very obliging subjects so I was able to take quite a few pics.

The only problem was an annoying wind that moved the reed unpredictably - after several unsatisfactory shots I reluctantly turned on compulsory flash (also tried using a higher ISO and up'ing the shutter speed but didn't like the results). Unfortunately forgot to shut down for the flash pics, so all taken at f/6.3.

Minolta A2, ISO100, compulsory flash at f/6.3

Bruce

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I would say that this turned out to be a fine specimen there Bruce. :D Mayflies are IMO quite beautiful insects. Being a trout fly fisherman, I am a bit embarrased though. I really can not determine whether this be male or female :-k :lol:

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Post by beetleman »

All the important stuff looks very focused with some great detail showing on the wings and body. Nothing looks blown and the background does not take anything away from the picture. very nice Bruce.
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Re: Mayfly - Ephemera danica

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Bruce Williams wrote:Also, what's the difference between a subimagio and an imagio (identification and general info on development stages etc. appreciated).
Bruce,

Quoting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayfly:
Mayflies are unique among the winged insects in that they molt one more time after acquiring functional wings (this is also known as the alate stage); this second-to-last winged instar is usually very short, often a matter of hours, and is known as a subimago or to fly fishermen as a dun.
The imago is the sexually mature form after the last molt. Subimago and imago can be distinguished by the texture of the wings: clear membrane = imago; translucent membrane = subimago. You have a very fine picture of a subimago. :D

Male vs female, for this species, sorry, I dunno!

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Post by Planapo »

Nice shot, Bruce! Yeah, wind can often be annoying, especially when the critters are sitting on swaying plants.

I reckon I can see the styli on your picture. Hence it should be a male.

What key did you use for species ID as danica?

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Post by MacroLuv »

Great photograph, Bruce! :smt023
As I saw the picture my first thought was you bought the Canon. :D
I like repeating curves of leaves, abdomen, wings e.t.c.
Very sharp and detailed with pleasant background. :wink:
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Post by Bruce Williams »

Thanks for your kind comments and helpful information everyone :D .

Betty - I used Collins' Field Guide to the Insects of Britain and Northern Europe (1977 edition). I could not make out the 3 dark abdominal bars in my photo however the distinctive wing markings are absolutely identical to the illustration in the book (plate 1.1). Further, the guide illustrates no other 3 tailed, British species with even vaguely similar wing markings.

I also found a number of photos on the web without the 3 abdominal bars but identified as E. danica .

The other key identifyer relates to veins M and Cu2 on the front wing which are not visible in any of my photos.

Do you think it might be a different species?

Bruce

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Great shot Bruce. I love the composition and the detail is very sharp. Great image

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Post by Planapo »

First of all: I want to make sure not to appear as smart-aleck due to the following, and do not want to bother other people with the following either. We all have our special knowledge which differs from person to person. And that´s fine because that´s why we can learn from each other and that is how it should be, IMHO.
(I assume you, Bruce and a lot of others wouldn´t get me wrong, even if I didn´t say this, but I don´t want to be misunderstood by anyone.)
The other key identifyer relates to veins M and Cu2 on the front wing which are not visible in any of my photos.
Well :-k , on your photo posted above M and Cu2 are clearly visible.:D :wink:
So the mayfly should be an ephemerid and belong to the genus Ephemera.

There are a few Ephemera species which differ in the markings on the dorsal side of the abdomen, and I´m not sure that yours here is danica. Does your field guide list e.g. vulgata? (To my knowledge it´s not to difficult to distinguish between the Ephemera spp. but many other Ephemeroptera have to be examined microscopically.)

Let me put it like this: Often people with an interest in nature start with a closer look on birds (as did Bill Oddie, perhaps you too, Bruce and I, myself ) and therefore are familiar with the well known birder´s field guides, such as "Peterson, Mountford, Hollom" for Europe. In birds and with these books it is possible to identify the bird you encounter to the species since the whole avifauna is listed.
In invertebrates (and a lot of other creatures), because of their often enormous diversity, it´s different in the majority of cases. I don´t know the book you cited , but generally popular field guides on insects, unlike field guides on birds, do not include all species that occur in the region they cover. Often they only show one species that is common, conspicous etc. from a larger group (such as genus or family) but don´t give the information that there are other very similar species. This is misleading, especially when our promising eager naturalist, who started as the above mentioned birder, now tries to transfer his experience with the birder´s guide books to the field of insects or other invertebrates that is new to him. The popular guides are useful for a first general acquaintance with a group of such creatures. But In many cases one can´t identify a species or even genus reliably by comparing it to a picture in one of these popular books or often questionably labled pictures found on the internet. Instead one has to use an up-to-date key that has been put together and published by an expert of the group and needs a microscope, good lighting and some training in morphology. And sometimes even that is not enough and then methods of molecular genetics have to be applied to differentiate species.

So, at the end of the day, my only intention is to raise caution about labelling with scientific names. I recommend to cite a species name only if one is very sure of it. Otherwise it is a better proceeding - and no shortcoming at all - to label a specimen/photo only with the name of a higher taxon one is very sure of ( e.g. a mayfly, Ephemeroptera, or an ephemerid mayfly or an Ephemera sp.)

Best wishes,
Betty

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Post by rjlittlefield »

Betty,

Thanks for raising this issue about identifications that are too precise. It has come up before and I'm sure it will come up again.

Your explanation relating bird books to insect books is very clear and helpful.

I will add that the problem of identifying to species is more difficult than most people think, even in some very well known and apparently distinctive groups. In the old forum, I once noted that:
The very hardest thing for me to learn -- it took many years to really sink in - is that many times it is simply not possible to exactly identify an insect from a picture, sometimes not even from an actual specimen.

If you look at my web page, you will see something identified as "a Sulphur butterfly (Colias, species unknown)". In the area where I live, there are perhaps a half-dozen different species of Colias that all look so much alike, they can be separated only by specialists looking at many specimens taken from the same time & place. Again just in my area, I can think of at least seven other groups of butterflies that can be almost as difficult (Speyeria, Polygonia, Cercyonis, Icaricia, Euphydryas, Callophrys, Euphilotes) -- and then there are the "little brown skippers", about which many of my butterflying friends just laugh and give up.
As you say, there is no shame in naming only the genus, or family, or whatever one is sure of.

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Well folks, that's a kind of discussion I love this forum for! :D
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Post by Bruce Williams »

Betty - an interesting and helpful clarification - thanks. My thanks too for the obvious care that you took to compose and word your views in such a non-critical and sensitive manner.

Yes you're quite right, the strongly diverging base of veins M and Cu2 (front wing) is visible and that is the key identifier rather than the veins themselves which (I think?) are mostly hidden behind the much smaller hind wing.

No the guide does not mention E. vulgata, in fact it mentions only one Ephemera sp. It illustrates and briefly describes 14 of the 46* species of Ephemeroptera present in the British Isles - E. danica being by far the best known. *Another reference claims 51 British species.

Betty, I understand that your point is a much more general one, ie, recommending caution in the use of scientific names However, for my own peace of mind I am still interested in confirming the identity of the insect in my photo. Certainly from photos I've since seen it could well be one of the other two British Ephemera species, E. vulgata or even (although I think less likely) E. lineata. I have requested opinion on species from another British wildlife forum.

Bruce :D

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