Pogo ant portrait--First bug of the year for me!

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Mike B in OKlahoma
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Pogo ant portrait--First bug of the year for me!

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Between high winds and hay fever, I've not been able to go out bughunting till today, but I made up for it at least partly this afternoon by getting a few shots of these ants. This Pogomyrmex worker (I think Pogomyrmex barbatus, but I'm not very comfortable about ant ID) is guarding the entrance to her home.

These are properly known as harvester ants, but I grew up calling them "red ants" as does everyone around here. They have a nasty sting.

This is about a 60% crop of the area of the original shot.
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Wow! What an amazing angle - really up close and personal!

There's good detail on the serrated mandibles and the bristles and striations are details you don't often see on ant photos. I can see how they could deliver quite a nasty bite.

Nice pic Mike.

Bruce :D

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A really up in your face shot, I do agree there Mike :D However, probably a misconception on my part but do ants really have a sting or is it the sting from the formic acid to which everyone refers? Other than being able to ruin a picnic, I know little about them. :-k

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Nice capture Mike. Closer than I would care to get to these guys.

Ken..acid, sting, bite..- It hurts and it hurts for a long time. Leaves a scar for a long time too.
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Post by Gordon C. Snelling »

Ken yes Pogos, do have a very functional sting apparatus. Ants in the subfamily Formicinae all have high concentrations of formic acid but no stings. This ant is in Myrmecinae all of which do have sting but sometimes not very good ones. I have not been stung by this species but it close relative P. rugosus has a wicked sting. Pogos actually contain very little formic acid.. Great shot Mike.

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Mike, a nice shot! I like the shiny orange to red colour of this species. We don´t have Pogonomyrmex over here in the Palaearctic :cry: but other harvester ants in the genus Messor :D .

I just wanted to note that Pogonomyrmex belongs to the subfamily M y r m i c i n a e .
(Though I again know for sure that Gordon knows how to spell it right, he must have been in a hurry again :) ).

And Gordon, I thought of the production of formic acid in the poison gland as a synapomorphy of the Formicinae. So why should
Pogos actually contain very little formic acid..
at all?
(asks Betty who is always willing to learn)

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Love the shot, Mike. Wonderful perspective and tremendous impact. :D

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Post by Mike B in OKlahoma »

Ken Ramos wrote:A really up in your face shot, I do agree there Mike :D However, probably a misconception on my part but do ants really have a sting or is it the sting from the formic acid to which everyone refers? Other than being able to ruin a picnic, I know little about them. :-k
Kent, these do have a spray or a sting or whatever you want to call it! It is nasty, I've been stung repeatedly at this same nest (third year in a row I've photographed at it), but didn't collect any stings yesterday. They generally bite with these jaws, then spray the area, by biting, they break the skin and let the acid have maximum effectiveness.
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Okay, so some ants have a stinger and some don't, is that correct? Every time I read about someone being stung by an ant, I associate the sting to be like that of a bee or having a stinger like a bee to sting with, though I have never seen a stinger on an ant or neither have I been stung by one. I am going to have to take one apart under the microscope to see, I am curious now. :lol:

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I agree with everyone about your pictures Mike "What Kind of lizard is this?" Very upclose and personal. We have ants here that have red bodies and black abdomens and when you Disturb them they swing their abdomens around under their legs and shoot a stream of formic acid at you (and you can really see the stream). If you put your finger down close to them you can smell it very well. :wink:
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Ken Ramos wrote:Okay, so some ants have a stinger and some don't, is that correct? Every time I read about someone being stung by an ant, I associate the sting to be like that of a bee or having a stinger like a bee to sting with, though I have never seen a stinger on an ant or neither have I been stung by one. I am going to have to take one apart under the microscope to see, I am curious now. :lol:
The ants I am familiar with have a spray of acid. I've read that some more primitive ants have actual stingers, but never seen one to my knowledge (ants and wasps have common ancestors). Beyond that, I'll defer to Gordon on this one!
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Post by Planapo »

Some additional information to clear things up:

During evolution in aculeate Hymenoptera the ovipositor was turned into a sting. Thus all females (workers and reproductive females, but not the males!) primarily do have a sting in aculeate Hymenoptera.
But in a lot of aculeate taxa the sting has secondarily been reduced (in the females).

Hence today there are several ant taxa without a sting. (And bee taxa as well).

As Gordon already mentioned this is the case in the whole subfamily Formicinae.
In addition the Formicinae developed the ability to produce formic acid in their poison gland and developed an acidopore at the tip of their gaster through which they can spray the formic acid as a defense. This can easily be observed in wood ants (the genus Formica) and which Doug most probably refers to.

But there are a lot of ant taxa that retained a functional sting that is sometimes able to penetrate the human skin which is the case in several myrmicine taxa, e. g. Myrmica or the Pogonomyrmex that is shown on Mike´s photo or the fire ants (Solenopsis invicta). In this case it is not formic acid that causes skin irritation but the components (proteins and peptides etc.) of the poison from the poison gland which is attached to the sting.
Additionally a lot of ants will bite in defense.

So yes Ken, you can find the sting under the microscope if you have chosen the right genus of ant for your examination. Interestingly, it can be observed that during mating the young queen protrudes it´s sting and flaps it aside to enable copulation. (Here you can see the little sting that the queen has protruded and flapped aside: http://www.ameisenschutzwarte.de/forum/ ... .php?id=91).

Hope this helps for clarification. Nature is tricky sometimes due to it´s enormous diversity.
Cheers.
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Well I suppose that clears things up quite well. An interesting link or photograph, ants doing what ants...well among other things, doing what ants do best but I guess that is a matter of opinion. Anyway, you just saved an ant from a most grusome and painful examination. Thanks for clearing all this up Betty and to the rest of you folks as well. Kudo's all round! :D

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Post by Gordon C. Snelling »

Ahh nuts caught again, if my dad caught me misspelling such a simple word he would slap me silly.

Here is a Pogonomyrmex tenuispina?? giving me the what for, the sting is barely visible.
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I deliberately let this gal sting me as I had never been nailed by this species and was curious.
True they do contain some formic acid but compared to the other compounds in the venom it is a minority component. I will admit though I am not up on my venoms as I should be so cant break it down for you.


the following excerpt is from Bites and Stings of medically important venomous arthropods by Richard S. Vetter and P. Kirk Visscher
Department of Entomology, University of California, Riverside, CA 92521 USA
The venom of Pogonomyrmex contains phospholipases A2 and B, lipase, hyaluronidase, acid phosphatase and is one of the most potent hymenopteran venoms 43. The venom causes hemolysis, mass cell degranulation and is 100 times less toxic to arthropods than to mammals, suggesting that it was shaped by natural selection as a defense against mammals.

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Post by Ken Ramos »

Thanks for the images and info there Gordon, I am learning more and more! :D

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