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Matte black thermoplastic ("Plexiglas")

 
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Charles Krebs



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:40 pm    Post subject: Matte black thermoplastic ("Plexiglas") Reply with quote

I was setting up and aligning the BHA scope that I use with a vertical illuminator. Instead of glass slides I have a bunch of 2x3" plastic rectangles that I use to place subjects upon. The plastic I use has a "matte" surface, that to the eye appears very smooth. This became my "test" subject as I set up this microscope in it's new location. Here you see this surface photographed at 50X on sensor (20X objective and 2.5X photo-eyepiece). So as you look at these images on screen you are seeing this surface at about 500X.

The first is "brightfield", the second is reflected DIC (I only have one DIC prism, and that is for the 20X)






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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hallo ,

phantastic structure! Do you have any idea why it appears so regular?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fab!
How very perspexing. I mean perplexing. I can tell you as a Metallurgy and Materials Science graduate, that











I haven't a clue! Embarassed
I can't help being reminded of long-chain molecules with cross-links, but nah, they're way smaller. Surely?? Though some polymers have been grown centimeters long.

Plastic like that may be made by extrusion in a continuous process, quite warm. It's probably made of a mixture of constituents (including plasticizers...), with different freezing points. So I'm assuming the first to freeze had the basis of the interlinked structure which shows, and the in-fill is the stuff which was last to freeze, ie having lowest freezing point. It shrunk on freezing/cooling.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that there was a mold made to create the matte surface texture as the sheet is formed. This "master mold" might have been etched chemically or (my suspicion) etched with a laser. (It looks microscopic melted metal welding "beads")

These surface patterns can be made very small. This link is not plexi manufacturing but perhaps something similar and more sophisticated:
http://www.wft.bz/gallery6.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's possible. Could be done with rollers. I don't think the stuff would be cast in individual molds, unless they're very expensive bits of plastic!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, pretty inexpensive stuff. I was thinking sheets formed by rollers as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This pattern is really quite bizarre!

Do the "bodies" of the "worms" stick up above the flat surface, or are they indented?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't they flattened tops on the highest "domes"?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm presuming these are stacked images. If so, then this is the sort of subject where Helicon's 3D surface display can give a lot of insight, by providing a synthetic view from far off to the side.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "bodies" of the "worms" (and the "rounded domes" along them) are raised up.

Here's the HF 3D surface:




And if you can do cross-eyed 3D this gives a really nice idea of the surface:
http://www.krebsmicro.com/mat_plex_3D+cross.jpg
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah! Could you invert the depth profile and make another stereo pair?

I'm starting to think that we're looking at the "negative" imprint of a chemically etched surface. The ridges and broad depressions that I see here might make good sense in terms of a metal surface that's been eroded at the grain boundaries.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the inverted... if molded, this is what the mold surface would look like.
Rather interesting!

http://www.krebsmicro.com/acrylic_mold_3D.jpg


BTW... I purchased this at "Tap Plastics". I believe this is the manufacturer for many of their sheet products:
http://www.cyro.com/methacrylates/us/products/
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bingo. This looks to me like spherical erosion, starting from sites that occur preferentially along grain boundaries. Maybe somebody more familiar with etching & molding processes can confirm or correct this impression.

This type of 3D surface display is very nice for this type of subject, which really does have a well-defined surface.

But I've been a bit puzzled by Helicon's treatment of aspect ratio. It seems like HF always starts by squashing the surface into a square, no matter that the image was a rectangle to begin with. When I played with it I assumed I was doing something wrong or had overlooked some control, but I notice the same thing here. The image starts off as a 3:2 rectangle, but in what we see here the surface has been squashed left-to-right so the shapes are distorted.

Have you noticed this effect before, or seen any discussion of it?

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