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mjkzz
Joined: 01 Jul 2015 Posts: 1008 Location: California/Shenzhen
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:50 am Post subject: ProOptics 12K Line Scan Lens |
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Ran into this lens at surplus shop, I was told it is a 12K line scan fixed focus lens made by Korean Prooptics. So I looked it up and found its specs:
http://www.prooptics.co.kr/AF12k1_25x.html
According to the spec, it has M44x1 thread at the end of it, so I had to order a custom part, converting M44x1 to M52x0.75, then I used a M42-to-M52 filter ring adapter then mount it on some extension tubes to make it at 1.29X.
Test setup is as below: 3 degrees of freedom (roll, tilt, and yaw) on the subject and one degree of freedom on the camera (forward and backward).
With some tinkering with those 4 degrees of freedom, I got a picture as close I can. I think the "fuzziness" in the picture is due to bad printing, rather than focus. So maybe Robert's silicon wafer is good test here as the etchings are razor sharp.
I think it is pretty good corner to corner (except vignetting pointed by arrow, probably caused by my tubing -- in the spec it says CCD size of 86mm). _________________ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mjkzzfs/ |
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mjkzz
Joined: 01 Jul 2015 Posts: 1008 Location: California/Shenzhen
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:56 am Post subject: |
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100% crop of the grid, almost no distortion, though I wish the printing of the scale is sharper . . .
corners
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ray_parkhurst
Joined: 20 Nov 2010 Posts: 1899 Location: Santa Clara, CA, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Nice find! I'd use it in reverse at ~0.75x to image Cents. Perfect focal length. Any way to mount it in reverse? |
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mjkzz
Joined: 01 Jul 2015 Posts: 1008 Location: California/Shenzhen
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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I think so, the front has M38x0.5 thread (guessed), so reverse mounting it is possible if you can get an adapter for it. _________________ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mjkzzfs/ |
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mjkzz
Joined: 01 Jul 2015 Posts: 1008 Location: California/Shenzhen
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Beatsy

Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Posts: 1482 Location: Malvern, UK
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:48 am Post subject: |
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How long is the total package (from camera mount to front of lens)? Do you think it would push to higher mag? The coin closeup looks really sharp, which implies it might.
That looks a really nice find. Congrats. |
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mjkzz
Joined: 01 Jul 2015 Posts: 1008 Location: California/Shenzhen
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:48 am Post subject: |
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thanks, the length of the lens is 72mm and total extension is about 129mm for the Sony A7III to get 1.29X magnification. I think it is pretty sharp, I just need to find something to shoot with
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mawyatt

Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Posts: 1802 Location: Clearwater
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nice, now you just need a 3/2 96MP sensor to keep up with this lens
Best, _________________ Research is like a treasure hunt, you don't know where to look or what you'll find!
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mjkzz
Joined: 01 Jul 2015 Posts: 1008 Location: California/Shenzhen
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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mawyatt wrote: | Nice, now you just need a 3/2 96MP sensor to keep up with this lens
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Hahaha, but how did you get those figures? 3/2 and 96MP? _________________ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mjkzzfs/ |
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mawyatt

Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Posts: 1802 Location: Clearwater
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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3/2 ratio @ 12k pixels per line. So 12K by 8K , or 96MP
Best, _________________ Research is like a treasure hunt, you don't know where to look or what you'll find!
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mjkzz
Joined: 01 Jul 2015 Posts: 1008 Location: California/Shenzhen
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:15 am Post subject: |
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oh, thanks Mike, I was confused by 3/2, I thought you meant 3/2 inch sensor. I think only a medium format camera can do 96MP.
I need to stop reading stuff here, after reading these line scan lenses, all the sudden I see there are 3 shops selling lenses like this one, I normally just go pass them  _________________ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mjkzzfs/ |
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mawyatt

Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Posts: 1802 Location: Clearwater
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:29 am Post subject: |
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A little geometry and algebra will yield a 3/2 ratio medium format sensor of ~40.77mm by ~27.18mm with 3.398 micron square pixels which will fit Nikon's new Z mount (49mm diagonal) will give ~96MP.
This is certainly within the reach of modern sensor technology, and I'm betting we'll see a Nikon medium format sensor camera based upon the new Z mount in the coming years, maybe not 96MP for starters but possibly ~58.56MP with D850 size pixels (4.35um).
Best, _________________ Research is like a treasure hunt, you don't know where to look or what you'll find!
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mjkzz
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Lou Jost
Joined: 04 Sep 2015 Posts: 3194 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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This is for a very large sensor, 83mm across, with 7um pixel size. It isn't designed for small pixels or high-megapixel normal-sized sensors. That's why it has a relatively slow aperture.
A 35mm sensor that would match the design specification should be about 5000 pixels across. In other words, your Sony sensor is outresolving the lens.
Still, nice results! _________________ Lou Jost
www.ecomingafoundation.wordpress.com
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mjkzz
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