www.photomacrography.net :: View topic - Laowa 25mm F/2.8 2.5x-5x ultra macro lens
www.photomacrography.net Forum Index
An online community dedicated to the practices of photomacrography, close-up and macro photography, and photomicrography.
Photomacrography Front Page Amateurmicrography Front Page
Old Forums/Galleries
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
Laowa 25mm F/2.8 2.5x-5x ultra macro lens
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    www.photomacrography.net Forum Index -> Equipment Discussions
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ChrisR
Site Admin


Joined: 14 Mar 2009
Posts: 7787
Location: Near London, UK

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The number 1 question curious photogs are asking is "how does it compare against the MPE". The tendency or the atmosphere behind that question is, If I buy the MPE tomorrow, I will be a fool cause the Laowa is giving sort of the range, probable lesser price and in a smaller package.

For Nikon, no doubt their world has opened to similar MPE lens.
I don't see Nikon users flocking to buy it. It's still a manual diaphragm. Trying to see anything through an effective f/20-30 is hard.
There are already good manual options, like reversed zooms, or a Canon MP35 on a helicoid or two which is more use at the more useful (in the field, or small sensor) low mag end as well. Granted the Laowa is neat, and would make more sense if one didn't already have any way to do it.
I've not looked at distortion - something to check.

The Optional Accessories for the Laowa are interesting for sure, though I haven't seen much about them.
_________________
Chris R
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
anvancy



Joined: 05 Dec 2009
Posts: 351
Location: India

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris you are following my thread of Agumbe rainforest photos so Ill relate my experience to that and what the general mindset is going as of now.

Why I assumed Nikon people will flock to this is I dont think there is any other all rounder option to be used "fast" in the field. Yes for any kind of studio work the options are limitless. But when you are dragging yourself in 85% humidity and hate to keep changing gear, this lens looks like a good buy.

Nikon 105+Raynox 250+This Laowa looks atleast on paper as a total all round solution in the field.

Now
The justification being given as a strong contender to the MPE is its price. When the issue that you have correctly pointed out of viewfinder darkness, is "we will manage".

There will be a difference only in writing and actually managing light and its additional weight. Maybe here the yongnuo YN 24 model lights will shine.
_________________
www.anvancy.com

Raynox 150|Raynox 250|Raynox MSN 202|Canon MPE 65mm|Canon 100mm.|Wemacro Rail
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
johan



Joined: 06 Sep 2011
Posts: 986

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that MPE65 vs LW25 is the real argument - if you're a Canon user most will probably still get MPE65 because of its range, auto aperture, full frame distortionless coverage, integration into Canon and the fact it's pretty darned handy all round. Heck most of us own one and it's pretty handy. It has better range and it is automatic, 2 USPs LW25 doesn't have.

For photographers using others marques though, like Nikon, Pentax etc that don't have an MPE65 in their range I think the real debate is whether LW25 is preferable to other existing solutions for them like reversed lenses, Raynox use, darkroom lenses, and my hunch is that yes, it will appeal to many - a value for money all-in-one package. For them it's an improvement over carrying all sorts of bits around so sure, they'll buy it. And that's why it's purposefully manual, to be brand-agnostic, to be able to tap into that exact market.

So, imo, great to see investment in an extreme macro optic by a manufacturer, opening extreme macro to the masses.

As for Canon users and MPE65 vs LW25 - sure some will buy each. MPE65 is a great 1:1-5:1 all-round automatic lens. LW25 doesn't quite match that but also costs less - bottom line you get what you pay for, and I think as a Canon user you get more convenience with MPE65, which does matter. Futzing around for field shots using a LW25 with a manual aperture with a limited magnification range simply isn't as field-enabling as MPE65.

So, no, not going to kill MPE65, but it's definitely a handy addition for non Canon photographers.
_________________
My extreme-macro.co.uk site, a learning site. Your comments and input there would be gratefully appreciated.


Last edited by johan on Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:48 am; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
lonepal



Joined: 28 Jan 2017
Posts: 234
Location: Turkey

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johan wrote:
I don't think that MPE65 vs LW25 is the real argument - if you're a Canon user most will probably still get MPE65 because of its range, auto aperture, full frame distortionless coverage, integration into Canon and the fact it's pretty darned handy all round. Heck most of us own one and it's pretty handy. It has better range and it is automatic, 2 USPs LW25 doesn't have.

For photographers using others marques though, like Nikon, Pentax etc that don't have an MPE65 in their range I think the real debate is whether LW25 is preferable to other existing solutions for them like reversed lenses, Raynox use, darkroom lenses, and my hunch is that yes, it will appeal to many - a value for money all-in-one package. For them it's an improvement over carrying all sorts of bits around so sure, they'll buy it. And that's why it's purposefully manual, to be brand-agnostic, to be able to tap into that exact market.

So, imo, great to see investment in an extreme macro optic by a manufacturer, opening extreme macro to the masses.

As for Canon users and MPE65 vs LW25 - sure some will buy each. MPE65 is a great 1:1-5:1 all-round automatic lens. LW25 doesn't quite match that but also costs less - bottom line you get what you pay for, and I think as a Canon user you get more convenience with MPE65, which does matter. Futzing around for field shots using a LW25 with a manual aperture with a limited magnification range simply isn't as field-convenient as MPE65.

So, no, not going to kill MPE65, but it's definitely a handy addition for non Canon photographers.


Hi Johan, I think %100 same. Thanks.
_________________
Regards.
Omer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
microman



Joined: 14 Jan 2017
Posts: 122

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, i think its great what Laowa does. Looking forward to see what it can do in the field coming summer. I wont get one as have gone a different route but its interesting to see what it can do in the right hands.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
anvancy



Joined: 05 Dec 2009
Posts: 351
Location: India

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johan wrote:
I don't think that MPE65 vs LW25 is the real argument - if you're a Canon user most will probably still get MPE65 because of its range, auto aperture, full frame distortionless coverage, integration into Canon and the fact it's pretty darned handy all round. Heck most of us own one and it's pretty handy. It has better range and it is automatic, 2 USPs LW25 doesn't have.

For photographers using others marques though, like Nikon, Pentax etc that don't have an MPE65 in their range I think the real debate is whether LW25 is preferable to other existing solutions for them like reversed lenses, Raynox use, darkroom lenses, and my hunch is that yes, it will appeal to many - a value for money all-in-one package. For them it's an improvement over carrying all sorts of bits around so sure, they'll buy it. And that's why it's purposefully manual, to be brand-agnostic, to be able to tap into that exact market.

So, imo, great to see investment in an extreme macro optic by a manufacturer, opening extreme macro to the masses.

As for Canon users and MPE65 vs LW25 - sure some will buy each. MPE65 is a great 1:1-5:1 all-round automatic lens. LW25 doesn't quite match that but also costs less - bottom line you get what you pay for, and I think as a Canon user you get more convenience with MPE65, which does matter. Futzing around for field shots using a LW25 with a manual aperture with a limited magnification range simply isn't as field-enabling as MPE65.

So, no, not going to kill MPE65, but it's definitely a handy addition for non Canon photographers.


Thanks Johan for brilliantly summarizing and clearing my doubts.

I will keep your points handy the next time I am asked if the MPE is a better buy against the LW25.
_________________
www.anvancy.com

Raynox 150|Raynox 250|Raynox MSN 202|Canon MPE 65mm|Canon 100mm.|Wemacro Rail
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
ChrisR
Site Admin


Joined: 14 Mar 2009
Posts: 7787
Location: Near London, UK

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Points acknowledged, it has a patches of usefulness, but small ones. I expect a good proportion of buyers will be dismayed at what else you need to do to get the images they hope for. It won't appeal so much to those who already do know, perhaps.
I expect there will be a supply of little-used ones on ebay before too long!

It's great to see Venus nudging the envelope, though.
_________________
Chris R
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mjkzz



Joined: 01 Jul 2015
Posts: 945
Location: California/Shenzhen

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I will grab one as soon as it comes out.
_________________
https://www.facebook.com/groups/mjkzzfs/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
morfa



Joined: 12 Oct 2009
Posts: 556
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Johan to a large degree!

And I'd like to add a couple of points:

1) For studio work the Laowa beats my (!) MPE across the 2.5–5X range. But perhaps my copy of the MPE has taken one too many beating or it was simply not up to par to begin with (?!).

2) The range of the MPE makes it far superior as a stand alone alternative. BUT, if you use the MPE in combination with a regular macro lens (90-105mm) + Raynox DCR-250, the Laowa 25/2.8 deserves another look!
_________________
John Hallmén
http://johnhallmen.se
http://flickr.com/johnhallmen
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
ChrisR
Site Admin


Joined: 14 Mar 2009
Posts: 7787
Location: Near London, UK

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the IQ difference you're showing does hold up, then in the studio where the manual diaphragm doesn't matter and the small size helps, sure it'll earn its place Smile.
_________________
Chris R
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Macro_Cosmos



Joined: 15 Jan 2018
Posts: 101
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Formation of Structure by Macro Cosmos (DH)

This is what the bokeh balls look like at 2.8.
_________________
Boring to the eye? Could be amazing when magnified by 10 times!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Macro_Cosmos



Joined: 15 Jan 2018
Posts: 101
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject: - Reply with quote

I find no issue with viewfinder darkness, but I also shoot solely in my studio.

Laowa has a ring light addon which could help dramatically. I didn't order one as I have no interest in field work... yet?

Either way, inevitably people are going to compare the two. People who don't care much about 1-2.5x and have been dealing with dark viewfinders using various tactics could be pleased with the Laowa 25mm.

I'm in the middle of building up a simple system that allows to me create panoramas. I have a beetle that I want a full body shot of.
DSC_5564 1 by Macro Cosmos (DH), on Flickr

Evidently there's some grime on it. Cleaning the thing is gonna be a bit tricky, anything that works beside decon 90? As usual, I am still learning and I appreciate any advice.
_________________
Boring to the eye? Could be amazing when magnified by 10 times!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Keithcooper



Joined: 28 Jan 2018
Posts: 8
Location: Leicester

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:42 am    Post subject: A review of the Laowa 25mm Macro Reply with quote

Following on from the tests earlier, I've written up some notes about using the Laowa 25mm alone with a brief comparison with my MP-E65 (which it marginally bests IMHO)

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/laowa-25mm-f2-8-macro-review/

Hope it's of some interest
_________________
bye for now
Keith Cooper
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Keithcooper



Joined: 28 Jan 2018
Posts: 8
Location: Leicester

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisR wrote:
Points acknowledged, it has a patches of usefulness, but small ones. I expect a good proportion of buyers will be dismayed at what else you need to do to get the images they hope for. It won't appeal so much to those who already do know, perhaps.
I expect there will be a supply of little-used ones on ebay before too long!

It's great to see Venus nudging the envelope, though.


This is how I got my used MP-E65, TS-E90 and TS-E24 (mk1) lenses - all barely used in boxes ;-)

In the review I've put up I do try and emphasise that just buying a lens like the Laowa doesn't make great photos. But if more people took note of that, where would new camera and lens sales be at ;-)
_________________
bye for now
Keith Cooper
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
irass



Joined: 18 Nov 2017
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Hallmen made a great stack with L25 lens Smile:

http://www.venuslens.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/John-Hallmen.jpg
_________________
Ireneusz Irass Wal?dzik
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irass
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    www.photomacrography.net Forum Index -> Equipment Discussions All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Page 5 of 6

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group