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lonepal



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Best Choice fo 1X-3X macro Reply with quote

Hi;

I tried lots of lenses like enlargers, macro lenses, Mitutoyo microscope lenses, reverse connected lenses etc in 1.5 year.

I decided that the magnification that I use most common is 1X-3X range.

I red a lot of reviews, writings actually so many things...

What do you offer for 1X-3X magnification range and why?
I have both APS and FF cameras.

Please guide me because I am lost Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My optics for this range:
-Lomo 3,7x
-Componon 80mm 4,0
-Mitutoyo 5x/Raynox250
-Nikkor 55mm Micro with bellows/rings
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Saul;

Actually I am looking for a single lens for this range.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lonepal wrote:
... I am looking for a single lens for this range...


Depends on your goals. In the field I'm using Nikkor (or Kiron 105) with PN-11 or Kenko rings. Studio, if I need more "creamy" bokeh (or be more flexible with magnification ) - Lomo . More resolution and I'm sure that I'll fit to that kind a "fixed" magnification range - Mitu. If I do not know what I want Smile - Componon, this lens is more flexible (for my goals)

If you are Canon user - why not MP-E65 ?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Saul;

Yes I am a Canon user.

Actually I already decided on MPE 65 but asked this question if someone will offer me another choice which will be better than MPE.

But as you said the answer seems like a MPE.
But I read a lot of praise and satire about it.

Do you think is it worth it's price?
I can buy a apo rodagon or apo componon with the 1/3 price of an MPE
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm Nikon user Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The MP-E 65 is very robust, changes magnification at the twist of a ring, and has automatic diaphragm. These make it ideal for field use, especially for single-exposure work where you are shooting stopped down. But the MP-E 65 is prone to false colors, especially when used full open or nearly so. It is definitely not apo. I expect that the apo rodagon or apo componon would give equal or better images, but for field use they would be a lot less convenient.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the explanations Rick.
I think the same.
I usually work at home so no field use is necessary.

I think a can have better solutions than a MPE with the price of MPE.
Right?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that I can think of, in one lens.
At the lower magnification end, you can close the MP-E down a couple of stops.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Chris;

I mean 1X-3X magnification range.
For example El-Nikkor 50mm f2.8N or a Componon-s 80.
What do you think about them especially for 2X-3X magnification?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the effective aperture isn't so much of a problem at that end of the MPE's range. A the 5x end it is a problem, with small pixels.


Otherwise, about the best of the enlarger lenses afaik is the Schneider-Componon-S f/2.8, though I have a couple which are low contrast, and they look the same as the best couple.
If you can live with 35mm FL, (obsolete) Canon MP 35mm f/2.8 is better especially 2x up. Though opinions vary on how good. (See Enrico's assessment). Not great at 1:1!
Some of them are quite old and have black flake/cement problems.
They're a nice lens though.

The EL-nikkor is by no means bad, good ones will beat some S-C especially above about 2-3x.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on tests on this forum, the Apo-Rodagon-D that is optimized for 2x is also pretty good at 1x and 3x, and it should be much better at 1x than the regular enlarger lenses mentioned here. I don't have one though so can't say for sure. Ray Parkhurst perhaps could confirm this...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Lou;

Thanks for information.
I send a PM to Ray about his toughts about APO Rodagon D enlarger lenses.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note that there are two types, you want the one optimized for 2x.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the MP-E 65 adapted onto a Sony A7r2. Within my lens collection, I find it "best" from 1x to just under 3x, then a 5x Mitty on a 135mm tube (3.275x) begins to win for resolution, particularly in APS-C crop mode. The corners are a bit vignetted and softer (than the MP-E) on FF, but the cropped area resolves more. MP-E does exhibit quite a lot of LoCA, but that pretty much disappears with stacking and is better at f/4.0 than it is at f/2.8

And of course, the MP-E 65 can be taken into the field for "normal" macro, which makes it a versatile and useful bit of kit IMO.

I'm also interested to hear of other options though - particularly lenses that can resolve more than MP-E 65 at the lower powers on a 42mpix FF sensor.
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