| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
rjlittlefield
Site Admin
Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Posts: 18091
Location: Richland, Washington State, USA
|
 Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: Worm With Spider (Caution: not for the squeamish!) |
 |
|
Several days ago, Sue Alden posted a picture of what might be a horsehair worm, and I learned about these long worms that parasitize insects & other arthropods.
So I was prepared, when today one of the folks at work called to say that they had something weird for me to look at.
The worm was already dead when I got there, but the caller (who asked to remain anonymous) said that at first the thing looked like a spider that had gotten partially squashed, and its guts had fallen out and were still writhing on the floor. 
This appears to me to be a horsehair worm, but I'm eager to hear of other possible ID's. (A worm person, I'm not!  )
Close examination under a stereo scope shows that the worm appears to have mostly emerged from one large hole in the abdomen (marked with one arrow), with a bit of the other end of the worm protruding from another hole at the end of the abdomen. (Eeew!  )
Any further thoughts or interpretations?
--Rik
Technical: Canon 300D, Sigma 105mm macro at f/11, stacked. The spider + worm are about 15mm across. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
salden
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Posts: 1363
Location: Pennsylvania
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
beetleman
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 3578
Location: Southern New Hampshire USA
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
Incredible Rick...picking jaw off of floor What a find (great friends you have also). Photos are excellent also. This one has to go into the scientific journals
_________________
Take Nothing but Pictures--Leave Nothing but Footprints.
Doug Breda |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ken Ramos
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Posts: 6951
Location: lat=35.4005&lon=-81.9841
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
Oh yuck! "Hurl Hurl, gag!" That is an interesting bit of photography there Rik. Quite an unusual find, though some things are just plain gross and this is one of them. Glad you posted it though. 
_________________
However, while there is grace where in all that I might live, while there is still breath in my being, while I may or may not accomplish anything more in life than to be living, I shall reflect upon the past, applying it to the present, for to possibly perceive to a near certainty, the outcome of the future.
Ken 2014 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Walter Piorkowski
Joined: 14 Aug 2006
Posts: 655
Location: South Beloit, Ill
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
I have never seen anything quite like this Rik. Most interesting.
Walt |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Planapo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 1533
Location: Germany, in the United States of Europe
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
Very interesting and well documented, Rik! It´s always amazing to see what an enormous size such a parasite can grow to within its host.
Imagine oneself would have such a monstrous wriggling hose inside one´s tummy! 
Now, in the literature one can read that these parasites, when adult and ready to leave their host, manipulate the host´s behaviour in such a way that the host approaches fresh waters like ponds, ditches etc.
This said, it would be interesting to hear where the people found the spider with the worm emerging.
Cheers,
Betty |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rjlittlefield
Site Admin
Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Posts: 18091
Location: Richland, Washington State, USA
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Planapo wrote: | | This said, it would be interesting to hear where the people found the spider with the worm emerging. |
In an office, on the carpet.
This building is several hundred feet away from any standing or running water that I know of, unless perhaps there are puddles on the roof.
The travels of this worm must have been quite a saga!
--Rik |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PhilH
Joined: 30 May 2007
Posts: 32
Location: East Yorkshire, UK
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Now this really is one to make you squirm.
A neighbours Cat was sick in our garden this morning. Closer inspection showed that the sick was full of worms, and I thought that was bad.
Admin edit: removed unusual smilies.
_________________
Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday... and all's well! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
beetleman
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 3578
Location: Southern New Hampshire USA
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
And you didn`t take a picture of that Phil  
_________________
Take Nothing but Pictures--Leave Nothing but Footprints.
Doug Breda |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ken Ramos
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Posts: 6951
Location: lat=35.4005&lon=-81.9841
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Yeech! Cat puke!
_________________
However, while there is grace where in all that I might live, while there is still breath in my being, while I may or may not accomplish anything more in life than to be living, I shall reflect upon the past, applying it to the present, for to possibly perceive to a near certainty, the outcome of the future.
Ken 2014 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Danny
Site Admin
Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Posts: 725
Location: New Zealand
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
Interesting and just so unique Rik. Fascinating behaviour shot. Never seen anything like it and it must use the spider as a host. INCREDIBLE !!!
PS: We don't want large animated gif's coming in here. Please use the ones available only. Just like the rest of us do.
Danny.
_________________
Worry about the image that comes out of the box, rather than the box itself. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rjlittlefield
Site Admin
Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Posts: 18091
Location: Richland, Washington State, USA
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
Interest in these pictures seems to be more widespread than usual, judging from both the view count for this topic and the number of emails that I have received about it.
Regarding the ID, consensus seems to be that this parasite is much more likely a "mermithid" worm (Nematoda:Mermithidae) than a "nematomorph" or "horsehair worm" (Nematomorpha).
Dr. Andreas Schmidt-Rhaesa of the Zoological Museum in Hamburg, Germany, wrote (and graciously granted permission to post) that:
| Quote: | | Those are very fine images. Nevertheless, they are not sufficient to identify the worm with safety. Mermithids and nematomorphs are very similar, but I can identify no character that would point to one of the two. I suspect it to be a mermithid, but can not be very sure. The most reliable would be to send the worm to me and let me have a look directly. Sorry - this is all I can say at the moment. |
There are some practical and legal issues with shipping biological material, so I inquired whether there were distinguishing characters that I might photograph. The answer to that question was:
| Quote: | Dear all,
There are some hints to distinguish nematomorphs from mermithids:
- when the posterior end is divided into two lobes it is surely a nematomorph
- when both ends are pointed, it is likely to be a mermithid
- when the anterior end is coloured by a white tip, followed by a brown or black ring, it is a nematomorph
- when the body is transparent and large eggs are visible, it is a mermithid
Juvenile nematomorphs may look a lot like mermithids, but probably these features help already. Dessication is usually not a problem, because the worms are quite robust.
Best wishes,
Andreas Schmidt-Rhaesa
|
Google search on mermithid spider turned up lots of interesting stuff, including this November 2000 article in the journal Invertebrate Biology:
| Quote: | Title: Heydenius araneus n.sp. (Nematoda: Mermithidae), a parasite of a fossil spider, with an examination of helminths from extant spiders (Arachnida: Araneae)
Abstract. A mermithid, a parasite of a spider (Araneae: Thomisidae) in Baltic amber (40 mya), is described as Heydenius araneus n.sp. (Nematoda: Mermithidae) and represents the first fossil record of a nematode parasite of an arachnid. After a critical examination of reports of naturally occurring helminths of extant spiders, I conclude that although mermithid parasitism is well established in this host group, previous reports of hairworm parasites of spiders are "nomina dubia," putative records, or refer to mermithid nematodes. |
I was curious how these various groups relate to each other, so I did some searching. What I found is that Nematoda and Nematomorpha are sister groups, both being phyla within Ecdysozoa, a large group that comprises all the animals that shed an exoskeleton. Ecdysozoa includes such other well known and quite diverse groups as the Arthropoda (insects, spiders, etc.) and Tardigrada (water bears).
So it seems that despite their very similar appearance, the mermithid and nematomorph worms are not very closely related. Fascinating.
--Rik
PS. The article linked above by Sue Alden (this one) provides a wealth of information about these parasites. Thanks, Sue! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Danny
Site Admin
Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Posts: 725
Location: New Zealand
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The more I look and the more I read, well this is one of the most amazing posts I've seen on any macro forum (and I've seen a few  ). This one actually takes the cake........ with cream.
Magazine or book material IMO. Just fantastic shots and info. I'm totally in awe Rik. How about an article on this so its kept safe and readily available, pleeeeease
Danny.
_________________
Worry about the image that comes out of the box, rather than the box itself. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
twebster
Site Admin
Joined: 26 Jul 2006
Posts: 442
Location: Phoenix "Valley of the Sun", Arizona, USA
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
Outstanding...but yucky 
_________________
Tom Webster
Phoenix "The Valley of the Sun", Arizona, USA
The worst day photographing dragonflies is better than the best day working!  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tpe
Joined: 26 Aug 2007
Posts: 467
Location: Copenhagen Denmark
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
|
|
Facinating, and very well shot rik, actually made my day . And salden thanks for posting the paper, really makes the thread. I love this place sometimes . Grusome and facinating and beautiful pictures all at the same time.
tim
_________________
www.scientificillustration.net |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
