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Nikon MXA20696 long range comparison with other optics

 
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Craig Gerard



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:48 pm    Post subject: Nikon MXA20696 long range comparison with other optics Reply with quote

ChrisR wrote:
I would love someone with a genuine tube lens to poke it out of the window and photograph a distant electricity pylon or a street light at night.
Reference:http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=106622#106622

Chris,
It's a daylight shot (cloudy and wet day). I can do the night shot.....tonight. Not quite the subject you requested, but thought it was interesting to do a comparison. I'd need to apply some mathematics to determine effective aperture of the tube lens..... A crop of the light pole at actual pixels clearly reveals the differences in the two lenses when used in this way for the purposes of an uncontrolled peek. The CA is visible without an actual pixel crop; but the Nikon tube lens was not designed to be used in this manner.

Nikon MXA20696 Tube Lens, Canon 50D (I'll do a similar comparison using the MT-1 when it arrives on Friday)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/48523277/MXA20696.tif (86MB)


Canon 70-200/4 L @ f/8, Canon 7D


Rodenstock Apo-Gerogon 240/9 @ f/16, Canon 50D, PB-5 bellows, focusing helicoid.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/48523277/Rodenstock_Apo-Gerogon_240.tif (86MB)



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig, thanks for these comparison shots!
Unfortunately, the dropbox link yields me (just me?) an Error 404 with a nice Escher drawing, though.

Hmm... haven't there been some Apo-Gerogons Cool for sale down the hill there, lately?! Think Smile Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Betty,

The Dropbox files are still in the process of uploading.....
*Looks like they are available now.

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Hmm... haven't there been some Apo-Gerogons for sale down the hill there, lately?!

I originally purchased the Apo-Gerogons for use as tube lenses. I now have that role covered by dedicated tube lenses and have since decided to keep the Apo-Gerogons pending further analysis .i.e. the Apo performance was impressive and I'd like to point them at some other subjects Cool


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another installment....different weather conditions and FOV (too many cars on the road to position a tripod...safely)

This image was taken with the Mitutoyo MT-1 tube lens. I'm still coming to terms with the requirements of this lens.
I need to read the specifications information to find out just where this optic wants to be positioned in relation to the image plane. I'm currently measuring the distance at 215mm.

CA correction is respectable (worse on the foreground light pole as opposed to the distant pole), overall, slightly better than the Nikon MXA, but not as good as the Rodenstock Apo-Gerogon.
However, both of the dedicated tube lenses were designed to work in unison with a microscope objective, so I'm not too concerned with their performance in this exercise.

Here is the first test:
Mitutoyo MT-1 Tube Lens, Canon 50D, focusing helicoid and additional extension tubes.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/48523277/Mitutoyo_MT-1_1.tif (86MB)



Craig

*edit: Included an additional Dropbox file link for the MT-1
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig Gerard wrote:
I need to read the specifications information to find out just where this optic wants to be positioned in relation to the image plane. I'm currently measuring the distance at 215mm.

See http://www.edmundoptics.com/products/DisplayProduct.cfm?productid=2230#technical-images.

Rated extension is 240.2 mm from the sensor plane to the far face of the mounting flange, implying 212.2 mm to the near face of the lens barrel.
(212.2 = 240.2 - 28 ).

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Craig.
Should the enlarger lenses be set to f/11,22,...45 for a comparison?
If the effective aperture is given by M/(2*NA) (or is it (M+1)/(2*NA)?) then
Mitty apos, (Normal Niks similar):
5/(2 * 0.14) = 18
10/(2 * 0.28 ) = 18
20/(2 * 0.42) = 24
50/(2 * 0.55) = 45
Apo Niks (Mitty HRs similar):
2/(2 * 0.1) = 10
4/(2* 0.2) = 10
10/(2 * 0.45) = 11

NB it would only be fair to be looking inside the designed image circle, which is, um, um....

I checked the performance of a 100 macro versus a (admittedly cheaper) 100 non macro at f/22, as a normal lens focused at infinity. The macro was definitely better. Perhaps not at its best focusing distance, but they do make macro lenses stop down further of course, because it can be useful.
I wonder if there's anything they DO to improve things down there, or at least not make them worse than the physics dictates.

Downloads work only on right-click and Save Target As, by the way.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris,

Last question first. Choose to 'Save' the file rather than 'Open'.

I did stop down the Gerogon to f/16, could have gone smaller, but basically just wanted to see how it compared to the dedicated tube lenses when used as standalones.



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