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Rare Nikon Bellows Lens

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Thanks, Harold. This was an interesting post. Maybe too interesting--must keep repeating to myself: "No printing Nikkors, no printing Nikkors. . . ."

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Chris S. wrote:must keep repeating to myself: "No printing Nikkors, no printing Nikkors. . . ."
That kind of thing doesn't work for me! Too much will power, not enough won't power.

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Harold,

as far as I watched this auction, I think it is at least the third time now, that the seller pushs it (I do not know, why it came back 2 times ?)

the specific famous Japanese collectors link is: http://homepage2.nifty.com/akiyanroom/r ... ng105.html

the 150 mm version -"Haiku Poetic lens" -(which is designed to work up to 4:1) is really heavy in weight, 1,050g).

For a decent "setup", the 105 mm seems more comfortable with a weight of 375 g (without an adapter); >> ("Hakone, wind cool from mountain high. E=mc2")

Regards,

Christian
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typestar wrote: the 150 mm version -"Haiku Poetic lens" -(which is designed to work up to 4:1) is really heavy in weight, 1,050g),
so for a decent "setup", the 105 mm seems more comfortable with a weight of 375 g (without an adapter).
I asked him how well it would fit/work on a Multiphot (in his listing title) and am still waiting for an answer! :shock:

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Nikon still produce this lens(es),
now labeled as "rayfact" -- I believe still only available in Japan,
list price for the 105 mm (=OFM 10090MN)
I read some times ago about a list prize round 3000.- USD (??) for the 105mm

http://www.tochigi-nikon.co.jp/products ... sensor.pdf

Also the famous Nikon UV Nikkor 105 mm / f 4.5 is produced again under the Nikon Rayfact label:

http://www.company7.com/nikon/lens/0105f4.5uv.html
http://www.company7.com/library/nikon/N ... hure.p.pdf

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typestar wrote:I believe still only available in Japan,
list price for the 105 mm (=OFM 10090MN)
I read some times ago about round 3000.- USD (??) for the 105mm
They have sold for well over $2000 on Ebay.

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One of these has been sitting unsold at US$1600 for a week or two : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Nikon-Pr ... 1c1d36f48e

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ChrisR wrote:One of these has been sitting unsold at US$1600 for a week or two : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Nikon-Pr ... 1c1d36f48e
Hmmm. Stereo.... 8)

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Harold Gough wrote:
typestar wrote: the 150 mm version -"Haiku Poetic lens" -(which is designed to work up to 4:1) is really heavy in weight, 1,050g),
so for a decent "setup", the 105 mm seems more comfortable with a weight of 375 g (without an adapter).
I asked him how well it would fit/work on a Multiphot (in his listing title) and am still waiting for an answer! :shock:

Harold
The 75mm, 95mm, and 105mm Printing Nikkors have M45x0.75mm mounting threads on both front and back (front of lens has removable ring). It's not an easy threading to find. I found the best option was to use the "intermediate" thread of a Rodenstock Modular Focus unit for mounting my 95mm, which will mount either direction. But my 105mm has a larger diameter lower barrel, which won't fit inside the Rodenstock tubes. It fits fine reversed with trim ring removed, though. See this thread for pics with the Rodenstock...

http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/v ... ht=adapter

Bottom line these are not set up for use on the Multiphot. But I did have some adapters made with M45x0.75mm female one end, M52 female the other end that mount nicely to Nikon BR2 or similar. You can see the adapter at...

http://coinimaging.com/printing-nikkor_105.html

I think the Multiphot has provisions for Nikon F mount, correct? I assume this since the Macro Nikkors are either M39 or RMS, and have specialized adapters to mount them to Nikon F mount. The adapters are the BR15 (F male to M39 female) that allows the 120mm and 65mm to mount to the Multiphot, and then you add the BR16 (M39 male to RMS female) to mount the 35mm and 16mm. I don't own a Multiphot so am not 100% sure of the adapting required, but that is what the lenses came with...Ray

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ray_parkhurst wrote:...
I assume this since the Macro Nikkors are either M39 or RMS, and have specialized adapters to mount them to Nikon F mount. The adapters are the BR15 (F male to M39 female) ...
Ray, if you have these BR-15 adapters - they are highly appreciated for collectors.
Now there are many (Chinese) Adapters from M39 female to Nikon F-mount available, but for some of the - sometimes fanatical - Nikon collectors - the original genuine BR-15 are saught after:

http://nikonhistoricalsociety.yuku.com/ ... 4MBJNWz58E

Did you try the 105mm Printing Nikkor way out of its range, let's say up to 5:1 ??? Results?

Regards,
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typestar wrote:Ray, if you have these BR-15 adapters - they are highly appreciated for collectors.
Now there are many (Chinese) Adapters from M39 female to Nikon F-mount available, but for some of the - sometimes fanatical - Nikon collectors - the original genuine BR-15 are saught after:

http://nikonhistoricalsociety.yuku.com/ ... 4MBJNWz58E

Did you try the 105mm Printing Nikkor way out of its range, let's say up to 5:1 ??? Results?

Regards,
christian
Christian...yes, I'm the proud owner of 3 of these accumulated from several purchases of bellows that had them mounted. Quite lucky purchases. The adapters are worth far more than the bellows they came with!

If you take a look at Mark Goodman's measurements, he shows that the 105PN is at its best from 0.5:1...2:1. I've used mine up to about 1.5:1 with good success, but that was where my bellows and a couple extensions met their limits. For 5:1, wouldn't the extension need to be 600mm??? Scary thought...Ray

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Post by ChrisR »

If needing assistance with resisting this bargain, check the peformance figures here http://coinimaging.com/Lens_tests.html against the 55mm f/2.8 micro Nikkor, expecially sharpness/reesolution vs magnification. Certainly you get more working distance, and at a slightly different magnifiction point, but the 55mm is about 20x cheaper.

I have some difficulty in accepting that 100mm lenses haven't moved on in the 40+ years since the Printing-Nikkor's heyday.

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ChrisR wrote:If needing assistance with resisting this bargain, check the peformance figures here http://coinimaging.com/Lens_tests.html against the 55mm f/2.8 micro Nikkor, expecially sharpness/reesolution vs magnification. Certainly you get more working distance, and at a slightly different magnifiction point, but the 55mm is about 20x cheaper.

I have some difficulty in accepting that 100mm lenses haven't moved on in the 40+ years since the Printing-Nikkor's heyday.
Agreed, which is why I started a thread a while back asking that question. But so far I've seen no responses with anything that is better, or even as good, as the PN's.

The 55mm Micro Nikkor is a nice lens, and diffraction-limited through much of its range. But it has a couple of major drawbacks...first, it does not have a very flat field at 1:1; and second, its recessed front lens takes away from its already short working distance.

BTW, the 150mm PN is an interesting lens, at least the early version of it. Later ones are optimized only at M=1, but early ones had a variable lens arrangement to optimize performance over a wide range. Schneider uses the same concept with their 85mm Macro Varon, which is a pretty cool looking lens...

http://www.schneiderkreuznach.com/pdf/i ... ovaron.pdf


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