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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:26 pm    Post subject: Prestomal Teeth revisited (now 4 + 1 images) Reply with quote

Dave showed a microscope-shot of a Blow-Fly (Family: Calliphoridae) labella (tongue) with prestomal teeth at the base of the pseudotracheae. These teeth although sharply pointed appear weakly sclerotized.
http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16225&sid=4e98af067023e87f7f802f80cbeced6d

Rik, of course, started the whole discussion about prestomal teeth with his Blow-Fly shots
http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16216

I was photographing the head of a "House-Fly" (Muscina levida) (Family: Muscidae) when I noticed some formidable prestomal teeth.
Top: ventral view of the labella
Bottom: area in yellow circle flattened and rotated to better fit on screen; 10x SPlan Apo + 2.5x relay lens, 16 frames @ 4µ; ZS PMax.
note the heavily sclerotized teeth attached to an equally heavily sclerotized frame that is essentially a jaw.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a look at one of those large central teeth; 20x SPlan Apo + 2.5x relay lens, 17 frames @ 1µ. ZS PMax.

They are dagger-like with smooth edges; function unknown.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoa! So house flies can bite?!?! (Sorry for being slightly facetious but at that magnification those teeth look fierce!)

This whole discussion is a bit above my head but I appreciate the photography it's bringing about!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I didn't imagine that houseflies had such impressive dentition. The micrographs are so detailed they make the housefly out to be a bigger threat than it is, or rather, I hope the micrographs do that; the alternative is somewhat disconcerting...Great shots.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impressive photos and technique. How do you go about sectioning and mounting something like this?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent images! Now that I understand better how these things fit together, I really appreciate the view that your fluid-inflation technique gives us.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice images! Your mounting technique is amazing.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice pictures. Some of this looks very familiar, but I've not seen that interesting central 'fang' in the old mounted preparations I have of Calliphora blowflies.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the feedback, much appreciated.
Actually this is not THE House Fly (Musca domestica) but a member of the house fly family Muscidae.



I called it a "House Fly" to emphasize that it belongs to a different family than those flies used by Rik and Dave those being Blow Flies in the family Calliphoridae.

Oldroyd in his book "The Natural History of Flies" comments that muscid flies mop up blood that is flowing from wounds and some help the blood to flow by scratching at the skin with prestomal teeth developed from the ring of pseudotrachea. The species illustrated here has the tools, those 2 fangs, for such a job.

Mounting was simply done by flattening the labella (tip of the proboscis) under a coverslip; after softening the fly head in 5% KOH, washing in water and inflating the proboscis wiith absolute alcohol
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your images are always excellent, but it's not the pretty pictures that amazes me. It's what you can do with a dead fly, or any other bug, to get to the subject of the images that is simply astounding to me. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mitch.

The Golden Dung Fly (Scathophaga stercoraria) is a popular subject here on PMG.net. These flies are predators and capture other flies as large as themselves in their legs.

According to Oldroyd (The Natural History of Flies) they use their prestomal teeth (2 sets of 6 in this fly) "to cut a hole in the membrane of the neck, severing the nerve cord, and crippling the victim" - I guess it would.

These teeth are sharp-pointed and the larger teeth are heavily sclerotized.

Image below is one set of teeth; 40x SPlan Apo + 2.5x relay lens; 12 frames @ 1µ; ZSPMax.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, somehow I had missed these before. Great, and likewise the info.

It here really looks like the prestomal teeth could have well evolved from the bifurcated 'spokes/brackets'. Would be the often entcountered conservative way of evolving a 'new' (i. e. one with different function) structure by gradually altering an already existing one.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywood wants a cast of those for the next monster movie. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Dung flies look so sweet!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Planapo wrote:

It here really looks like the prestomal teeth could have well evolved from the bifurcated 'spokes/brackets'. Would be the often entcountered conservative way of evolving a 'new' (i. e. one with different function) structure by gradually altering an already existing one.

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Right on!
Perhaps if these images had been posted before the original "spokes" more of us would have been skeptical about calling those "spokes" teeth.
Maybe pre-prestomal teeth.
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