Ring flash with crossed polarizers: first tests
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Ring flash with crossed polarizers: first tests
Back in the 80s, when I begun to do some macros with my Olympus OM2, the T10 ring flash and its Cross polarizer were a too expensive object of desire.
Some weeks ago I was able to buy them used at a very reasonable prices and I couldn't resist.
Info about this equipment at:
http://www.alanwood.net/photography/oly ... flash.html
http://www.alanwood.net/photography/oly ... r-pol.html
(Thanks, Alan)
No automatisms available without OM cameras, only two manual power settings, but I found easy to control the exposure playing with ISO settings and reviewing histograms.
First tests with the Canon 7D and EF 50mm f2.5 Compact macro. All hand held manual focus, f numbers between 11 and 16.
Young Ginko biloba leaf at 1:4 (aprox)
Small Euphorbia flower at 1:1 (aprox)
Eye portrait
Crop of the former image, strange interference pattern (the young man eye hasn't any square pattern!)
Self portrait of the flash against a mirror
I like the results very much:
- Almost no reflections (is what it's designed for)
- The colors are highly satured (in the Ginko I lowered a little the color saturation)
- The illumination is flat as expected but not too much for my taste
- In some pictures there is a slight blue cast, but shooting RAW as always I do it's easy to correct.
Any comments always wellcome
Some weeks ago I was able to buy them used at a very reasonable prices and I couldn't resist.
Info about this equipment at:
http://www.alanwood.net/photography/oly ... flash.html
http://www.alanwood.net/photography/oly ... r-pol.html
(Thanks, Alan)
No automatisms available without OM cameras, only two manual power settings, but I found easy to control the exposure playing with ISO settings and reviewing histograms.
First tests with the Canon 7D and EF 50mm f2.5 Compact macro. All hand held manual focus, f numbers between 11 and 16.
Young Ginko biloba leaf at 1:4 (aprox)
Small Euphorbia flower at 1:1 (aprox)
Eye portrait
Crop of the former image, strange interference pattern (the young man eye hasn't any square pattern!)
Self portrait of the flash against a mirror
I like the results very much:
- Almost no reflections (is what it's designed for)
- The colors are highly satured (in the Ginko I lowered a little the color saturation)
- The illumination is flat as expected but not too much for my taste
- In some pictures there is a slight blue cast, but shooting RAW as always I do it's easy to correct.
Any comments always wellcome
Last edited by Pau on Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:39 am, edited 1 time in total.
Pau
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Of course you are right, it's due to the cornea birefringence acting as a curved retardation plate:
http://lo.um.es/publications/PDFs_main/ ... s_2002.pdf
(but my too basic physics knowledge don't allow me to understand this curious square pattern).
I never suspected it before, thinking in all the optical components of the eye as amorphous materials like optical glass.
http://lo.um.es/publications/PDFs_main/ ... s_2002.pdf
(but my too basic physics knowledge don't allow me to understand this curious square pattern).
I never suspected it before, thinking in all the optical components of the eye as amorphous materials like optical glass.
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Hi Pau,
I'm pretty sure I was the one who sold this particular flash to you Glad to see it is serving you well!
On a side note: I had been thinking of building some sort of adapter for the olympus hot shoe so that the TTL quelch pin matched the EOS pin. In theory that should give you TTL on the EOS. I had no time to further investigate this and so I sold the flash on, but maybe you find it worth looking into?
cheers
I'm pretty sure I was the one who sold this particular flash to you Glad to see it is serving you well!
On a side note: I had been thinking of building some sort of adapter for the olympus hot shoe so that the TTL quelch pin matched the EOS pin. In theory that should give you TTL on the EOS. I had no time to further investigate this and so I sold the flash on, but maybe you find it worth looking into?
cheers
Jacco
Thanks all for your comments,
Realjax: Yes, it came from Netherlands, and it's very nice . I don't think it would be adaptable to the EOS eTTLII system because, apart of other possible electronic issues, both systems work in base at very different principles: The OM TTL measures the light reflected by the film itself during the exposure cutting it when it reaches a certain level while the new Canon system measures a preflash to precalculate the amount of light in the exposure flash.
I can't imagine any possible conversion, but in some form it's what I do manually: I check the exposure in a former test shot to adjust, not really the flash duration apart of the only two settings, but the ISO sensivity.
Realjax: Yes, it came from Netherlands, and it's very nice . I don't think it would be adaptable to the EOS eTTLII system because, apart of other possible electronic issues, both systems work in base at very different principles: The OM TTL measures the light reflected by the film itself during the exposure cutting it when it reaches a certain level while the new Canon system measures a preflash to precalculate the amount of light in the exposure flash.
I can't imagine any possible conversion, but in some form it's what I do manually: I check the exposure in a former test shot to adjust, not really the flash duration apart of the only two settings, but the ISO sensivity.
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Thanks, Pau.
Having gradually accumulated OM T series macro flash in recent years, I can sympathise with the difficulty in obtaining it at realistic prices.
The very last item, purchased early this year, was the cross polariser, which I have yet to use. It is very rarely offered. Your results are very informative and encouraging. I will be using mine with fully OM equipment throughout, at least for film use.
Harold
Having gradually accumulated OM T series macro flash in recent years, I can sympathise with the difficulty in obtaining it at realistic prices.
The very last item, purchased early this year, was the cross polariser, which I have yet to use. It is very rarely offered. Your results are very informative and encouraging. I will be using mine with fully OM equipment throughout, at least for film use.
Harold
My images are a medium for sharing some of my experiences: they are not me.
Obviously you would not want to modify either the camera, nor the flash unit . I was thinking of getting an EOS shoe/connector from for instance a cheap flash extension cable and a similar cheap OM flash connector. Then rewire the EOS quelch out pin to the OM quelc in pin in such a manner that the OL flash can be plugged on the OM shoe and the other end on the cameras shoe.Pau wrote:Jacco,
The camera manual states that with other Canon flash no EX set to TTL it only fires at maximum power (i.e. no TTL mettering), do you have any reference for it?
In any case, as I'm too ignorant in electronics I never would try any modification
If I'm not mistaken on the eos the shoe looks like so
1____2
3____ 4
___X__
Where 1 is the quelch. Note: 3 needs to be covered, otherwise the EOS camera thinks it is connected to an ETTL compatible flash unit and TTL is automatically disabled. I used to have some more reading on this, if you are interested I can see if I can still find it, just let me know.
The Olympus flash connector looks like this:
(from the top of my head and valid for the ringflash)
__X__
____1
where 1 is the quelch pin.
In theory not all that difficult to do, the question remains if the quelch signal coming from the EOS will be understood by the OM flash. Basically it is just a signal that says 'stop the flash' so it can't be all that sophisticated..
Jacco
Jacco,
Many thanks for your sugestions and schemes.
I'm still not enough skilled (or brave) to try it, and if the camera don't allow ordinary TTL metering as I deduce reading the manual, it wouldn't work.
But, if you have the time and can do perform tests, manual settings are often as good or better than automatisms.
Many thanks for your sugestions and schemes.
I'm still not enough skilled (or brave) to try it, and if the camera don't allow ordinary TTL metering as I deduce reading the manual, it wouldn't work.
But, if you have the time and can do perform tests, manual settings are often as good or better than automatisms.
Pau