Hemiargus isola (images added)
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Hemiargus isola (images added)
Egg of Reakirt's Blue (Hemiargus isola), on a bud of the Pink Powderpuff (Mimosa strigillosa), approx. 2mm field. 120 images stacked in ZS.
Trivia: Tryon Reakirt, the 19th Century American entomologist for whom this butterfly was named, mysteriously disappeared in Brazil following bankruptcy in the U.S.
Another image (added May 9th) of a similar egg on some more mature buds. Field width here is approx. 3.1mm. A little more modeling, but still slightly mushy on the edge. I'll try to find a more circular egg tomorrow, and remove some of the obtrusive buds before taking photos.
A final image (for now) of another egg, taken at 20X, and cropped to 2/3, so that image field here is approx. 0.8mm.
Last edited by dmillard on Sun May 10, 2009 3:10 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Lovely! These lycaenid eggs are beautifully sculptured, but they're so small and so deep that you really have to make stacked photos to appreciate them. Direct view through a microscope just doesn't do the job.
David, you might be interested in this Icaricia lupini egg in the old forum and this web page about the same subject. I can't recall if you've been with us long enough to have seen them.
--Rik
David, you might be interested in this Icaricia lupini egg in the old forum and this web page about the same subject. I can't recall if you've been with us long enough to have seen them.
--Rik
It _is_ a lovely shot but I'm getting a mild optical illusion from it!
I'm finding it difficult not to see this egg as a flattish 2d white disk on the front of the green bud - if I concentrate then I can see the sides of the egg but I'm still slightly unsure as to the 3d structure of what I'm seeing. I wonder if a little more shadow (a little less diffusion?) would help bring out the structure a bit more?
Is anyone else seeing this the same way as me?
I'm finding it difficult not to see this egg as a flattish 2d white disk on the front of the green bud - if I concentrate then I can see the sides of the egg but I'm still slightly unsure as to the 3d structure of what I'm seeing. I wonder if a little more shadow (a little less diffusion?) would help bring out the structure a bit more?
Is anyone else seeing this the same way as me?
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I don't understand what lauriek and Rik are saying (that's not a criticism of them).
A sunflower has many indepent seeds arranged in a spiral.
This is one egg (seed), the pattern is the shell or chorion (more like a chicken egg than a sunflower seed head).
The center at the top of the egg is the micropyle - it's where the sperm enters for fertilization.
A sunflower has many indepent seeds arranged in a spiral.
This is one egg (seed), the pattern is the shell or chorion (more like a chicken egg than a sunflower seed head).
The center at the top of the egg is the micropyle - it's where the sperm enters for fertilization.
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student of entomology
Quote – Holmes on ‘Entomology’
” I suppose you are an entomologist ? “
” Not quite so ambitious as that, sir. I should like to put my eyes on the individual entitled to that name.
No man can be truly called an entomologist,
sir; the subject is too vast for any single human intelligence to grasp.”
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr
The Poet at the Breakfast Table.
Nikon camera, lenses and objectives
Olympus microscope and objectives
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I know what the structure is.
The problem is that my eyes persist in seeing it as something different.
When I first looked at the picture, my immediate impression was that I was looking at some thin decorated layer stuck on the outside of a rounded bud.
Then when I read that it's a lycaenid egg, I realized that I'm looking at the top of a fairly thick object, nestled in among buds.
But that realization is conscious thought, not visual perception. Based on knowing about similar eggs, I can figure out that the white thing is maybe quarter to half the thickness of each bud. But still the visual perception I get is that the white thing is more like a thin cap stuck on the front of the bud immediately behind it.
In some sense, it would be nice to get less DOF in this picture. If the background buds were going out of focus, then the thickness of the egg would be more apparent. But with such a wide aperture as this image must have been shot, truncating the stack often produces an edge-of-the-world effect that's a bit unpleasant. It might be a worth trying, though, just to see what happens.
--Rik
The problem is that my eyes persist in seeing it as something different.
When I first looked at the picture, my immediate impression was that I was looking at some thin decorated layer stuck on the outside of a rounded bud.
Then when I read that it's a lycaenid egg, I realized that I'm looking at the top of a fairly thick object, nestled in among buds.
But that realization is conscious thought, not visual perception. Based on knowing about similar eggs, I can figure out that the white thing is maybe quarter to half the thickness of each bud. But still the visual perception I get is that the white thing is more like a thin cap stuck on the front of the bud immediately behind it.
In some sense, it would be nice to get less DOF in this picture. If the background buds were going out of focus, then the thickness of the egg would be more apparent. But with such a wide aperture as this image must have been shot, truncating the stack often produces an edge-of-the-world effect that's a bit unpleasant. It might be a worth trying, though, just to see what happens.
--Rik
The criticism is valid, however this image was a trade-off - greater directional lighting gave more definition to the egg, but also produced disturbing shadows between the buds. I'm hoping to find an egg that rests on the surface, but the majority I have found are nestled even deeper than this one. I took a scanning electron micrograph (on Polaroid P/N 55) of a similar egg on an Acacia bud many years ago, and the modeling of the surface is far more distinct, and is indeed reminiscent of the sunflower Fibonacci spirals.
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You know, I hate that word "criticism" -- it sounds so negative! Think of these comments as observations by an interested observer, that if we're really lucky might hint at ways to improve even further on an already outstanding treatment. (That's not tongue in cheek, by the way. The image is very good, and I know how hard it is to deal with these things!)
When I shot the stereo pair of the Icaricia egg, I was struck by how vivid the surface sculpuring became. That egg was much more interesting in high res stacked stereo than I ever saw it through a microscope.
I wonder, is there more detail hiding in your original images, or are we seeing it all here? What lens was this shot with?
--Rik
When I shot the stereo pair of the Icaricia egg, I was struck by how vivid the surface sculpuring became. That egg was much more interesting in high res stacked stereo than I ever saw it through a microscope.
I wonder, is there more detail hiding in your original images, or are we seeing it all here? What lens was this shot with?
--Rik
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Fibonacci patterns appear in many forms in nature, not just in arrangements of individual items such as seeds e.g see:NikonUser wrote:I don't understand what lauriek and Rik are saying (that's not a criticism of them).
A sunflower has many indepent seeds arranged in a spiral.
This is one egg (seed), the pattern is the shell or chorion (more like a chicken egg than a sunflower seed head).
The center at the top of the egg is the micropyle - it's where the sperm enters for fertilization.
http://britton.disted.camosun.bc.ca/fib ... bslide.htm
A more 'meaty' article:
http://www.branta.connectfree.co.uk/fibonacci.htm
Or for our microscopist friends:
http://www.physorg.com/news97227410.html
Harold
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