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j1g4r



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:39 am    Post subject: Help with lens for beginner Reply with quote

Hello pros.

I have canon 1300d with 18-55mm kit and 50mm f1.8 stm lenses.

I read and did YouTube on macro photography and now am confused. Where should i start and what should i buy? Reversal ring, extension tubes?

I cant afford lens upgrade so need to be cost effective.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

j1g4r, welcome aboard! Smile

The cheapest way to begin is with a reversing ring.

See the discussion at Shooting with a reversed 18-55 mm Canon kit lens .

--Rik
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j1g4r



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rjlittlefield wrote:
j1g4r, welcome aboard! Smile

The cheapest way to begin is with a reversing ring.

See the discussion at Shooting with a reversed 18-55 mm Canon kit lens .

--Rik


thanks alot.
I tried something by reversing the lens and just holding it near camera. It gave me my first pic. But it was more like mobile pic . I hope I can get some accessories
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a beginner, your best return on investment is probably going to be a decent set of extension tubes WITH CONTACTS.

You don't need the contacts for autofocus, which I in any cause wouldn't use for macro. You need them for aperture control on modern lenses. Without them, you'll be shooting wide open all the time. There are workarounds, but the contacts are a much better solution.

I've got a set of ProMaster tubes. Kenkos are extremely popular.

After that reversing a used manual 50mm lens onto the front of one of your other lenses is an economical way to go.

Finally, if you decide you like macro and have the money, get a decent macro lens in the 90-105mm range. I have a 100mm Tokina and really like it. A lot of people consider it to offer the best performer for the money. The Canon and Nikons are probably better lenses... but for substantially more money. Your other option is to buy used from some place like B&H or Adorama.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice. I was looking today though - a set of Kenko tubes is about $100, but a Chinese autofocus set with contacts can be bought for $12 or so. They probably won't be as well made, but they do the same job.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisR wrote:
Good advice. I was looking today though - a set of Kenko tubes is about $100, but a Chinese autofocus set with contacts can be bought for $12 or so. They probably won't be as well made, but they do the same job.

Where did you see them, on eBay?

Make sure they actually have contacts. I've got a set of Chinese tubes that cost about that and they're nothing but plain tubes. They're ok with my manual Minolta MD 50mm reversed onto them.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plenty of them - this one shows the connections:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisR wrote:
Plenty of them - this one shows the connections:

That's a relatively new development.

Any idea how well they work?

If they work well enough, they'll open up macrophotography to a lot more people.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. I was looking to replace my similar-looking $35 set, which were fine until I dropped one and it broke!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisR wrote:
a Chinese autofocus set with contacts can be bought for $12 or so.

Nice catch! These ultra-low-cost versions are new to me also. I've just now ordered a set.

--Rik
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rjlittlefield wrote:
ChrisR wrote:
a Chinese autofocus set with contacts can be bought for $12 or so.

Nice catch! These ultra-low-cost versions are new to me also. I've just now ordered a set.

--Rik

How well do they work?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deanimator wrote:
How well do they work?

They're terrible. See "TTL Auto Focus AF Macro Extension Tube Ring is junk" for details.

--Rik
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rjlittlefield wrote:
Deanimator wrote:
How well do they work?

They're terrible. See "TTL Auto Focus AF Macro Extension Tube Ring is junk" for details.

--Rik

Too bad.

Sometimes you get decent results from the cheap Chinese stuff (like my macro focus rail), and sometimes you get a disaster.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got inexpensive extension tubes with contacts, (Neewer, about $30) and I recommend to not be cheap. Just inexpensive. That is how I got my start with a 50mm, and that set of tubes worked very well. Have fun!
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